Cyrus exasperatedly relayed this story to Apple Music’s Zane Lowe last month. She then listed off “pop” musicians who were definitely good: David Bowie, Madonna, Stevie Nicks. “Pop really gets given a bad name of, like you know, manufactured label creations,” she said. “And that’s just not what it is. That’s generic, and to be honest, it’s lazy.”

“My 2013 is your 1998, because that was the time where I just got just hit so hard and I was so embarrassed,” Cyrus told Lewinsky.

“That was the time where I just got hit so hard,” she told Lewinsky. “And I was so embarrassed.”